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Star space / How best to model the bar of a spiral galaxy?
« on: Today at 04:07:57 pm »
In GALFIT.

The GALFIT manual has quite a bit on how you might model a spiral galaxy's bar, especially when you also want to try to model the arms.

Does anyone have any experience with actually doing so? Or know of results where others have tried?

I'm more than happy to play with GALFIT, and learn about the different approaches ... but I'd also like to not spend too much time going down paths that are already widely known to be dead ends.

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In case you didn't already know, the Kepler spacecraft suffered a major hardware failure, and is unlikely to be able to resume its primary mission.

Thoughts on the (possible) death of Kepler - PH blog post

NASA Hosts Kepler Spacecraft Status Teleconference Today - PH Chat thread




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In DR7 SDSS images, and assume they have good spectra, and acceptable MPA-JHU stellar mass estimates.

Of course, there's nothing you can do about the fact that you can measure only the projected distance between them, but at least you can estimate that, in kpc, using the redshift and a cosmological model.

Is there some 'rule of thumb' that says, for two galaxies of masses M1 and M2, if they are separated by > x kpc, they can be treated as not interacting?

And what do you do if the two are obviously (or not so obviously) in a cluster?

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Star space / Space Warps (formerly Lens Zoo) is now live!
« on: May 08, 2013, 10:59:28 am »
New Project: Join the Search for ‘Space Warps’ - Zooniverse blog

Imagine a galaxy, behind another galaxy. Think you won't see it? Think again. - tag line on the door to Space Warps (a.k.a. the launch page): "Massive galaxies warp space-time around themselves, bending light rays so that we can see around them. They're the Universe's own telescopes, but these gravitational lenses are very rare: we need your help to find them!" Cool!  8)

They don't have a forum; they have the New! Improved! Washes Whiter Than White!! Talk Spacewarps ;D

Yesterday's Space Warps blog - Space Warps CFHTLS - barely hints that the project is now out of beta and live  :o; I guess there'll be a blog post later today to rectify that ...  ::)

So, what are we waiting for? Let's go find some lenses space warps!  :D

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That's NGC 5249 (DR8 ObjId 1237668623557460046) [1]

Morphologically, it's a lenticular, S0 in the Hubble/de Vaucouleurs classification scheme. Its distorted shape, and prominent dust lanes, would lead zooites to say it's likely a late-stage merger (you would think that, wouldn't you, you '100k+ GZ classifications' zooite?  ;) :D)

And the bluish tinge suggests star-formation is not quite dead yet; the spectrum can be introduced as evidence too (yes, it's a nice 'old' spectrum, but there are some 'hard to ignore' emission lines too):



Fair enough; while lenticulars are often very hard to tell from ellipticals, in this case it's not that hard, right?




NGC 2534 (DR8 ObjId 1237663916804538442) this time. Morphologically it's ... E1!  :o But clearly it's a blue elliptical, and there are hints of shells - tell-tale signs of past merger activity - so add in the obvious dust lane, and it's very likely a late-stage merger too (despite its E1 morphology).



A completely unambiguous, completely authentic typical elliptical, right? NGC 4374 (DR7 ObjId 588017704006910002; a.k.a. M84) is classified as E1 ... but with these extras: 'LINER', 'Sy 2', 'FR I', ...

Yet while you may not be able to pick out any distinct dust lanes in that SDSS image, the central part is, in fact, packed with enough dust to put the dust bunnies under a billion couches to shame tip the scales at many thousands or even tens of thousands of sols. This is an example of an elliptical with a 'nuclear' dust lane morphology. Here is a Herschel image (source [2]); at these far-infrared wavelengths, dust is what makes a galaxy shine:



I had intended to include an SDSS image of a large elliptical - preferably an NGC object - in which it is obvious that there is dust (in the elliptical itself); a non-blue one. However, while there are plenty of lenticulars with such dust - with classifications such as S0, S0/a - I couldn't find an elliptical.  :(  Also, there are images of nuclear dust (e.g. in the van Dokkum & Franx paper referenced below), but they're not SDSS. Anyway, part of my motivation for doing this OotD is my Not a dustlane? collection, in GZ Talk, which was inspired by some images of a brown splotch in the bright yellow part of some SDSS ETGs (early type galaxies; basically ellipticals and lenticulars). Here's the only one in that collection which might, as of today, be a dustlane in an elliptical, and not an artifact (AGZ0005b32; GZ4 image, then SDSS Explore one):



Anyway, it turns out that dust is surprisingly common in ellipticals, as the first couple of sentences in this paper makes clear (source):

Quote from: Leeuw et al.
Optical absorption patches, lanes, and filaments of dust have been seen in 50%80% of nearby bright elliptical galaxies (e.g., van Dokkum & Franx 1995). Observations at a range of other wavelengths have also revealed unexpected amounts of gas and dust in these galaxies (e.g., Roberts et al. 1991; Goudfrooij et al. 1994). In some objects, the dust masses estimated from optical extinction studies are a magnitude lower than masses implied by the IRAS far-infrared (FIR) fluxes, suggesting that elliptical galaxies may contain diffusely distributed dust not detected or properly accounted for in optical observations (e.g., Goudfrooij & de Jong 1995).

How did all this dust get there? Aren't ellipticals supposed to be 'dead and red' (the traditional ones, not the blue ones), where star-formation ceased long ago? And isn't it true that, left alone in the interstellar medium (ISM), dust will largely disappear after ~100 million years (a blink of a cosmic eye), being sputtered into a gas by the hot ISM plasma and cosmic rays? Yes, there will be some new dust created, as stars age and become red giants and blow smoke into the room the ISM; but that can't ever amount to much. Sure, if the nucleus is active - an AGN - it may keep things well and truly stirred up, and keep creating new dust by any of several different processes.

Well, according to this recent paper, "Dust and Ionized Gas Association in E/S0 Galaxies with Dust Lanes: Clues to their Origin" (Finkelman et al. 2012), a lot of different clues point to a somewhat surprising conclusion: the ionized gas (plasma) often seen outside the nuclear region in ellipticals is closely associated with the dust, and the ISM in these ellipticals may be surprisingly complex in its structure and morphology (not at all like the 'thin, uniform screen' often assumed in textbooks). The paper is fairly easy to read, and the conclusion a nice, calm summary:
Quote from: Finkelman et al.
We argue that these observed relations indicate that the ionized gas and the obscuring material have the same origin, are heated by the same sources and are well mixed. We conclude that an internal origin of the dust and ionized gas in E/S0 galaxies with dust lanes is highly unlikely; the hot gas content of E/S0 galaxies is quite heterogeneous and expected to affect differently the grain size distribution, mass content and dust distribution of individual galaxies, whereas our findings are independent of the hot gas content of each galaxy. We argue also that our results are consistent with the ‘evaporation flow’ hypothesis, albeit with some uncertainty as to the exact details of the process. If the dusty gas that we observe in the optical is part of the dense material arriving from outside during an accretion or merger event, than it could survive destruction even in hot and extreme environments. Relaxed gaseous discs and chaotic filamentary structures represent in this picture different states of similar events. The frequent detection of tidal features, atomic and molecular gas and kinematically decoupled gas components in E/S0 galaxies with dust lanes support this proposed view.

Hmm, I wonder what Robaina and Masters would make of this? And maybe it might be worth somebody's while to collect elliptical-elliptical overlaps after all.  8)

[1] All galaxies in this OotD have been posted many, many times before (except for AGZ0005b32), and I'm not even going to try to find who posted each first. As they're all (but one) NGC objects, the link is to the entry in the NGC catalogue LIST

[2] Did you hear that this most magnificent of space-based observatories ran out of liquid helium, just last week, and so it's now basically just a big piece of space junk?

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Galaxy Zoo: Hubble / How to Translate Galaxy Zoo
« on: May 04, 2013, 12:38:03 pm »
That's the title of the latest GZ blog post, by ttfnrob (a.k.a. Robert Simpson).

For zooites who are keen on languages, or those whose preferred language is not English, it's brimming with good news!  ;D

Now, how do you say "Is the galaxy simply smooth and rounded, with no sign of a disk?" in Thai?  ???

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That's a Green Pea (DR7 ObjId 588016891174912170, posted by gumbosea), and its spectrum is totally dominated by narrow emission lines such as [OIII], [OII], H-alpha (plus [NII]?), and H-beta (maybe [SII] too):



These lines come from gas (plasma) in the interstellar medium, illuminated by the UV continuum radiation from lots of OB stars [1].

If we could get a spectrum of this GP, from ~900nm to ~3μ (say), would there be similarly strong emission lines? If so, what transitions (element, ionization state) would be responsible? For example, would Paschen-alpha be a big spike too?

AGNs can also have spectra with spectacularly strong emission lines, but the continuum is (always?) much stronger than it is in GPs. Do AGN also have strong IR emission lines? If so, are they the same as GP IR emission lines? And if so, is there an equivalent of a BPT diagram?

[1] I hope this is a not-too-inaccurate summary; if it's missing something key, would someone please say so (even more so if it's in error!)?

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Star space / Science Hobbyists Needed for a National Study
« on: May 02, 2013, 06:42:30 pm »
From this GZ Talk thread:

Quote from: ScienceEd@NCState
1. Are you an Astronomy hobbyist?

2. Do you participate in Citizen Science Projects (i.e. Galaxy Zoo)?

3. Are you in non-STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics) career?


If you answered yes to these three questions, we* need your help with a new National Science Foundation sponsored research study that will investigate the characteristics and educational experiences of people who are active in science hobbies. More and more people are engaging in science hobbies; schools and science centers would like to know more about the characteristics of science hobbyists and how these organizations might better support hobbyists’ networking and education.

What will happen if you take part in the study?

We will send you more detailed information about the study, including a consent form for you to review. Participation in this study is voluntary. If you agree to participate in the study, we will set up a time to interview you over the phone. After the interview, you are eligible to receive a $10 Target gift card.

For more information, please contact us at: ced_stemhobby2@ncsu.edu

* The researchers involved in this project are from North Carolina State University. We are not affiliated with the Galaxy Zoo science team.

It doesn't say whether they think you'd be OK to join the study if you are retired, have not yet started a career, or otherwise do not currently have a career.  ::)

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Star space / SDSS: How to find 'the most reddened' galaxy?
« on: May 02, 2013, 08:01:44 am »
One of the Views in the SDSS Browser Scheme is PhotoObj (link is to a DR7 page). Five of the fields are 'dered_{b}', where b is one of u, g, r, i, z. The description of these fields is the same: "Simplified mag, corrected for extinction: modelMag-extinction".

How could you go about finding the galaxy - in the SDSS database - with the greatest extinction, the one with the biggest difference between modelMag and dered?

Actually, I don't really want 'the greatest'; merely a nice sample of ~10 to ~100 SDSS galaxies which have particularly high extinction, in the top ~10% say. Preferably DR7.

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Star space / Pixels; what is the name for ...
« on: May 02, 2013, 07:50:54 am »
An image from a camera like the one in SDSS is made up of pixels. The brightness (intensity) of the color of a particular pixel comes ultimately from three bins (wells?) on three separate CCDs (assuming the image hasn't been 'binned'  ;)), one for each of the colors corresponding to R, G, and B (in Hubble Zoo, most images came from only two; the third channel/color was either not used or was created as a combination of the other two). And the intensity of a particular color (for a particular pixel) is related to the number of electrons that were collected from the particular originating bin.

By carefully calibrating the CCD, and testing all the routines used to convert the current which comes from the CCD to numbers, it is possible to express the intensity as a flux (energy per unit time per unit area per ...), or, this being astronomy, a magnitude.

But what are the units for the quantized (digital) signals themselves?

For example, if you download an SDSS (image) FITS, you will find that each pixel has a value, which is some function of the number of photons which hit that pixel (CCD bin) during the integration period (not counting 'bad pixels', and various non-photon related artifacts). For SDSS FITS, those values are integers. And those values are directly proportional to the number of photons (once you subtract the 'soft bias'), as you want.

What are their units?

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Not sure where to post this (from PH Talk), but ...

Quote from: mschwamb (science team)
I didn't seen a thread or discussion on this and thought it might make for some interesting conversation. I'm not sure if ya'll had heard about this, I only heard about this via twitter. In the US, the President and the White House are looking to celebrate the contributions of citizen science. The White House will host a Champions of Change event on Citizen Science on June 4th. They're looking for nominations for Citizen Science Champion of Change before April 30, 2013. It's great to see the White House doing this. If you're interested in learning more, you can read about it here.

AWESOME!!  ;D

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Star space / A KS statistics question - how to refer to the P?
« on: April 25, 2013, 06:24:06 pm »
As in the Kolmogorov-Smirnov non-parametric, distribution-free test.

I found this very cool website [1] which explains it extremely well, and also has an online calculator!  :o 8)

And when I tried it, with a dataset which I just happened to have to hand  ;), I got text like this: "The maximum difference between the cumulative distributions, D, is: 0.0405 with a corresponding P of: 0.989"
 
So, is D the "KS statistic"? If so, what is P? As in, how do you describe it (or, rather, its value) in a concise and meaningful way?
If not, what is the KS statistic (or is that question not even meaningful)?

Sure, I get that, according to this measure (metric? Argh! what word(s) do you use?!?!?  >:(), the probability of the the datasets being drawn from the same population is very high (98.9%, to be precise). At least, according to the KS statistic (or test?)

Why oh why is it so hard to find the right words and phrases?  :'(

[1]
Quote
citation for these stat pages:

Kirkman, T.W. (1996) Statistics to Use.
http://www.physics.csbsju.edu/stats/
followed by the date accessed in parentheses: e.g., (26 Mar 2007)

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Star space / How do you ... (a statistics question)
« on: April 25, 2013, 11:46:08 am »
Suppose I have some astronomical data, collected into ten bins, as follows (mean, in each bin; standard deviation; number of datapoints): [1]

Bin Mean SD (N)
0 -1.40±0.64 (242)
1 -0.70±0.55 (327)
2 -1.26±0.71 (199)
3 -0.22±0.67 (225)
4 -0.54±0.25 (1556)
5 -0.92±0.22 (2131)
6 -1.24±0.23 (1943)
7 -1.31±0.24 (1728)
8 -1.08±0.36 (753)
9 -0.36±0.85 (139)

What is (are) the statistical test(s) one would normally do, to see if this data is - in some meaningful (statistical!  ;)) way - different from "it's all the same"?

Yes, my question is squishy, but I don't even know how to write stuff like "inconsistent with the null hypothesis that ..."!  :( At least, not in a way that I myself know what I'm talking about (as opposed to sounding really good, but not having a clue about what I wrote).

[1] Sorry, I don't know how to write a nicely formatted table in GZ forum ...  :'( What is it? What are the units? Well, let's just say that they're all in the same units, and that if there are systematics, they can be treated as merely a uniform change in the zero-point  :D

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Object of the Day / Wednesday, 24th April, 2013: Blast from the Past
« on: April 24, 2013, 12:41:36 am »


That's SDSS J123431.54-004554.4 (DR7 ObjId 587722982280724639), and hasn't been posted before, here in the GZ forum, as far as I can tell.



Cue the nostalgia music ... yes, that's what the original Galaxy Zoo classification page looked like! Sigh, ... those were the days ... YT

OK, so what do you think the nice blue spiral galaxy at the top of this page should be classified as?

Silly question, right? It's "Clock", or "CW" for short. And if you look up this galaxy in Galaxy Zoo 1 : Data Release of Morphological Classifications for nearly 900,000 galaxies [1], you'll see that every single one of the zooites who got this galaxy to classify said "CW".

What about this one? [2]



Another no-brainer, right? It's "Anti", or "ACW" for short. And every zooite agreed.

Moving along; how about these two? [3]



While you may struggle a bit so say whether either - or both - is an elliptical - vs "unclear spiral galaxy" (or, perhaps, merger; most definitely NOT a star!  ::)) - you'd agree that neither is a CW, right? Ditto neither is an ACW.

And yes, that's how zooites voted, in the original GZ; not a single vote for either CW or ACW.

Enough with the no-brainers! Try these [4]:



Confused? Conflicted?  ??? Can't decide whether they're both CW, or both ACW; whether one is CW and the other ACW (and if so, which is which)?

Well, you're in good company!  8) In both cases, exactly the same number of zooites voted CW as voted ACW. In fact, for the right-hand one, zooites were both pretty convinced, individually, and conflicted, collectively: both CW and ACW each garnered 23% of the total votes.  :o

OK, two more [5]



What do you think? Also no-brainers?

Not done yet; yet another pair [6]



Hmm, not so easy, eh? But, if you had to choose - CW or ACW, one or the other - how would you vote?

Last pair [7]



Neither CW nor ACW, wouldn't you say? And, in fact, not even spirals (disk galaxies)! Or do you disagree?

Yes, this OotD is not just an opportunity for reminiscing; there's some astrophysics - cosmology even! - behind it. But I'll be leaving that for later posts in this thread; for now, sit back and let the memories of the joys of your first days classifying galaxies, in the original Galaxy Zoo, wash over you ...

[1] It's in Table 2, and can be found on the GALAXY ZOO Data webpage, here
[2] SDSS J020824.97+142058.4 (DR7 ObjId 587724199895564295), first posted here by jules, on September 01, 2007
[3] DR7 ObjId 587729233056170206 (left; cool, eh?) and 587729751131029820 (right; despite appearances, it's not an AGN); neither posted before
[4] 588017110216605791 (left), and 588010880374079688 (right); neither posted before
[5] 587732484350804039 (left), 587729386083123405 (right); both posted before (left: by AlexandredOr on September 14, 2008, and several times subsequently; right: by Tsering on March 08, 2009, and at least once since)
[6] 587739458296152226 (left), 587738951494140065 (right); neither posted before
[7] 588017114517405716 (left), 588297864181121186 (right); neither posted before

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Star space / Referencing scientific papers
« on: April 22, 2013, 01:54:55 pm »
Read any scientific paper (on astronomy, at least), and you'll find many things like this: "Lauer et al. (1995)", and this: "e.g. Sandage 1961; de Vaucouleurs et al. 1991".

These are, of course, pointers to other scientific papers, and if you turn to the REFERENCES section of the paper, you'll find corresponding entries, like "Lauer, T. R., Ajhar, E. A., Byun, Y.-I., Dressler, A., Faber, S. M., Grillmair, C., Kormendy, J., Richstone, D., & Tremaine, S. 1995, AJ, 110, 2622", and "Sandage, A.R., 1961, The Hubble Atlas of Galaxies, Carnegie Institute of Washington, Washington".

The latter is, of course, not a paper published in a peer-reviewed journal, but a book; that's OK, it's published.

What to do with preprints? I found two styles, in the one paper; e.g. "Masters et al. (2010c)" -> "Masters K., et al., 2010c, Submitted to MNRAS., arXiv:1003.0449"; and "LSST Science Collaboration 2009" -> "LSST Science Collaboration, arXiv : 0912.0201"

Now the former is clearly intended to become a published paper, and may well be published in MNRAS some day; but presumably the latter was not submitted to MNRAS, or any journal, and is not intended to ever be published (except online, in arXiv).

So, what is the convention, the standard practice?

Is it OK, for example, to write "Zhang (2013)" (or "Zhang 2013"; why do you sometimes put the date in brackets and others not?), no matter where you find the 2013 document by Zhang, as long as you give a pointer to it in the REFERENCES? And if, like the LSST document (presumably), what you write is never intended to appear on dead trees, is it OK to simply make your reference/citation a link?

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