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Re: Peas Project
« Reply #360 on: August 12, 2008, 12:49:36 am »
Hey all, Carie and I are hard at work now on the peas project and hopefully we'll be able to put up a nice blog post about the progress. We're at the hard data analysis part of the project now.
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Re: Peas Project
« Reply #361 on: August 12, 2008, 11:13:03 am »
We're at the hard data analysis part of the project now.

Sounds hard.
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Re: Peas Project
« Reply #362 on: August 13, 2008, 05:03:04 pm »
Good morning from California! I posted this mess yesterday with a question on an object just outside the multi-way merger. Lots of feedback on it....(ultimately calling it a galaxy that is just a lot farther away than the others). It was posted in the lensing thread, as requested by several members---and fluffyporcupine said you might want to take a look at it due to it's green hue. The green color was the only thing we didn't have a solid answer for---other than if it's really far away the colors might be distorted. Here's the original post----let me know what ya'll think.   ;D ;D ;D
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the little green blob in the middle is photo-tagged as a 3/type galaxy.....why does it look so weird? Just a bad view/photo, is it young, old, farther away than the mergers next to it, part of the merger?

It seems like just when I get the hang of things--a random blob throws me off! Story of my life....


http://cas.sdss.org/astro/en/tools/explore/obj.asp?id=588017703474888883

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Re: Peas Project
« Reply #363 on: August 13, 2008, 06:24:14 pm »
This may have been posted already, but here it is...


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Re: Peas Project
« Reply #364 on: August 16, 2008, 12:09:58 pm »
I think I found my first pea!!!  ;D

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Re: Peas Project
« Reply #365 on: August 16, 2008, 08:48:01 pm »
Maybe this one would be a candidate? 587733432456315706
has a z=0.27 and a nice OIII peak






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Re: Peas Project
« Reply #367 on: August 19, 2008, 04:52:14 am »
This is fascinating! Hopefully this question hasn't been answered yet, but what strikes me about the peas is that it's a shade I don't think I've ever seen in astronomy (aside from heavily-filtered Hubble images). Which chemical causes this particular emission in the visual spectrum, or is it a combination of gasses?
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Re: Peas Project
« Reply #368 on: August 19, 2008, 05:12:16 am »
looks unknown, but could it be my first real pea?

ref:  588016841243951956

http://cas.sdss.org/astro/en/tools/explore/obj.asp?id=588016841243951956

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Re: Peas Project
« Reply #369 on: August 19, 2008, 02:42:27 pm »
Hi Pea Hunters,
Sorry to have been silent for so long, my pesky little thesis keeps demanding my attention.

Kevin and I wanted to give you an update with where we are in our Peas investigation.  We haven't answered all of our questions, but from detailed inspections of their spectra, it appears that the Peas are a mixed bag.  A large portion of them appears to be powered by star formation, and perhaps an equal number show evidence of an active central black hole.  The details of what I've done will be posted by Kevin to the galaxy zoo blog, but I'll also include them here.  Feel free to chime in with any questions or suggestions you all might have!


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« Reply #370 on: August 19, 2008, 02:48:15 pm »
The first thing I did was look at all of the peas that were highly rated as Green in our Pea Picker hunt.  When I plotted them against a sample of randomly selected galaxies of at similar redshifts, they do stand out.  This first plot is a color-magnitude diagram.  In my opinion its one of the most widely used of all plots astronomers can make.  Practically, this is probably because only 2 images are necessary to make this plot, but also historically because we've found out plots like these can tell us so much (eg. the HR diagram http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertzsprung-Russell_diagram). 

In the Pea color-magnitude diagram, you can see that the sample of typical galaxies lie at a U-R color near 3, while all of the peas identified here on this thread are much bluer.  I know it might be confusing because we selected the peas to appear ‘Green’ in the SDSS images, but all that Green means there is that they are very bright in the ‘R’ band.

    The next step up in complexity from a color magnitude diagram is a color - color plot.  I made several of these for the Peas, but if you look at the one I've posted here, you can see that the Peas jump out as very distinct from the galaxy sample.  If we restrict our query to compact objects at the pea’s redshifts, ask for an [OIII] line to be detected in the Spectrum, and throw out luminous Quasars (QSOs) we find a sample of 439 Peas.  I’ve plotted this sample of pea’s on both the color-magnitude diagram and the color-color diagram in Purple.  (This Pea-search also returns all of Peas found by eye as well).
 

Now came the exciting part, figuring out what powers the peas.  We downloaded all of their spectra from Sloan and used Gandalf to analyze their Spectral lines.  Unfortunately, quite a few of our spectra had bright spectral lines we could see by eye, but did not have a high enough Signal-to-Noise ratio to make a precise measurement of the line flux.  I also closely examined the fit of each spectrum and noticed that Gandalf had trouble with many of the Active Galaxies (AGN) in our sample.  We’ve contacted the author of Gandalf and he is going to help us go back and fit these galaxies better so we can add them back in our sample of Peas.  For now we’ve accurate spectral fits for 36 of the Peas.  I’ve plotted them on a typical BPT diagram below.  The BPT diagram was introduced by Baldwin, Philllips and Terlevich in 1981 and is a diagnostic, which can indicate if the gas in a galaxy is being heated by star formation (as in a starburst galaxy) or by very hot gas near a central black hole (as in an Active Galactic Nucleus).  You can see most of them end up on the Starburst portion of the plot.  However, this is simply because most of the fits to the AGN spectra were poor and so they were thrown out of our sample.  Looking at the spectra by eye, it looks as though they are fairly evenly split between AGN and Starburst, but we’ll get a better handle on this when we can accurately fit the AGN spectra.
 

For the Peas powered by star formation, we can look at how many stars are forming each year.  For comparison, Milky way’s star formation rate is around 1-2 solar masses per year.  The typical Pea from our sample seems to have a star formation rate nearly 5 times higher than this, and for many Peas the rate at which they form stars is up to 40 times larger.  Because the Peas are so much smaller then the Milky Way, these are incredibly large star formation rates.

Right now we’re working on improving our spectral analysis and searching the data archives for evidence of X-ray emission from the Peas.  With X-ray emission we will be able to measure the AGN activity and where Star Formation dominates, we can get a second estimate of the star formation rate in the Peas.  We are also looking for infrared emission from the peas.  This will be an additional measure of their star formation rates & their stellar masses.  Finally, we plan to apply for time on a larger telescope to get better spectra.  These higher Signal-to-Noise spectra will allow us to measure the BPT line diagnostics better for a larger number of our Peas, and most importantly it will let us look at other spectral features that can inform us on the Peas stellar masses.


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Re: Peas Project
« Reply #371 on: August 19, 2008, 02:51:17 pm »
:D thanks for that!

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Re: Peas Project
« Reply #372 on: August 19, 2008, 05:58:41 pm »
... and for many Peas the rate at which they form stars is up to 40 times larger.

This sounds like a lot of hard work, but the initial findings seem exciting. I was wondering what would be
a typical rate of star formation for an 'average' blue compact galaxy- Our Milky way is an older galaxy &
therefore, I guess, will have a lot less star formation happening. A rate of up to 40 times larger seems
extraordinary- hopefully justifying all those days spent pearing at peas. Best of luck!

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Re: Peas Project
« Reply #373 on: August 19, 2008, 11:08:09 pm »
I'm not sure if this one counts. OIII is good but redshift is lower than given parameters. Img 587734950202638473


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Re: Peas Project
« Reply #374 on: August 19, 2008, 11:21:33 pm »
A rate of up to 40 times larger seems extraordinary- hopefully justifying all those days spent pearing at peas. Best of luck!


On its own, that's actually not such a large rate. In the early universe, galaxies had star formation rates of thousands of solar masses per year. What we suspect is interesting though is the fact that the peas are likely small galaxies, and so form stars at a relatively large rate.
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