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Saturday 26th July 2008
« on: July 23, 2008, 11:47:37 am »
With everyone away at Jodrell Bank, and me miles away working, I think it is appropriate to feature a Radio Galaxy today.

This is an L band image of the center of M82 taken by Jodrell Bank using the Merlin array.  The bright spots are the expanding shells of supernova remnants - the remains of many massive stars which formed in a rapid burst of star formation.



Here is what M82 looks like from SDSS:



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M82 (also known as NGC 3034 or the Cigar Galaxy) is a nearby starburst galaxy about 12 million light-years away in the constellation Ursa Major. The starburst is five times as bright as the whole Milky Way and one hundred times as bright as our galaxy's center.

Forming a striking pair in small telescopes with nearby spiral M81, M82 is being physically affected by its larger neighbor. Tidal forces caused by gravity have deformed this galaxy. This interaction has caused star formation to increase 10 fold compared to "normal" galaxies.  Recently, M82 has undergone at least one tidal encounter with M81 resulting in a large amount of gas being funneled into the galaxy's core over the last 200 Myr.  So its a Merger as well!

It has featured as an OOTD before, nearly a year ago, but then just with the optical image.
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Re: Saturday 26th July 2008
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2008, 10:52:10 pm »
Awesome, Waveney!

Thanks for preparing this in advance . . . and for that brilliant piece of research!

I can't resist saying another happy birthday - as it was a year ago today, July 26th, that I joined the forum . . .
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Re: Saturday 26th July 2008
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2008, 12:19:49 am »
 :o :o :o :o I have always liked this one thanks for the added info. Wonderful choice 8) 8) 8)
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Re: Saturday 26th July 2008
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2008, 01:01:13 am »
Great choice, Waveney !  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Saturday 26th July 2008
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2008, 01:08:55 am »
Great pick!  ;D

In the radio image, the colours code for intensity, don't they?

Does anyone know what M82 would look like, in some set of 'radio filters', mapped to the visual RGB?  And if such a 'radio M82 image' were to appear in Galaxy Analysis, how do you think it would be classified?

Oh, and the green fuzz in the SDSS image, isn't that usually red?  Like this Subaru image (from APOD)?

Here is a wonderful astronomy discussion forum, and PhysicsForums is great for discussing physics (and for homework help)

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Re: Saturday 26th July 2008
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2008, 02:58:24 am »
This just shows that nothing is absolute. It is all a matter of perspective.  I always feel that there will be peace & harmony in this world if everyone subscribes to the ZOO spirit !  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Saturday 26th July 2008
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2008, 04:12:15 am »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D Maybe. ;)
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Re: Saturday 26th July 2008
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2008, 04:25:15 pm »
 :o :o :o
Amazing. How its posilbe I haven't see that before.
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Re: Saturday 26th July 2008
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2008, 04:39:23 pm »
I enjoyed the narrative about M82 as well as the radio image of the galaxy. Thanks for the link to the Jodrell Bank Centre for Astrophysics Web site as well, Waveney. ;)

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Re: Saturday 26th July 2008
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2008, 06:57:59 pm »
Great image choice, and most excellent commentary.  Thanks waveney.

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Re: Saturday 26th July 2008
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2008, 07:19:55 pm »
This one was prepared by me a few days ago, using a different approach to how most OOTDs get selected and described. 

Usually one starts with the Image (sometimes ones own selection, sometimes nominations from you the reader) and goes looking for some explanation to go with it. 

For today's OOTD I started by looking around the Jodrell Bank site for pretty pictures, the first two I found where outside the SDSS footprint, then I found this one.  Once the image was found, the text and explanations is an amalgam of that on the Jodrell site, Wikipedia and elsewhere.

I am glad it's proved popular.
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Re: Saturday 26th July 2008
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2008, 10:12:31 pm »
Just to add my thanks as well. :)

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Re: Saturday 26th July 2008
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2008, 01:56:41 am »
Yep very cool 8)

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Re: Saturday 26th July 2008
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2008, 02:48:17 pm »
Oh, and the green fuzz in the SDSS image, isn't that usually red? 

I saw a lot of these SDSS-images yesterday, all showing green, where the are normally coloured red..
It took me a moment to get used to that, but Joseph's comment was right: nothing is absolute, and it is all a matter of perspective. There is no such thing as "looking at a galaxy, as it really is". 'Many objects in them can't be seen. And in visual light can't see diffences in temperature too well. And there is much more radiation then only visible light. So what exactly is 'reality' here?

To get results, that show as much details as possible, several photo's are taken of an object in different spectral ranges, and then joined together again, often manipulated to get better contrast, etcetera.. Computer colours are used to point at differences and qualities: indeed, you are visually fooled, but you get details back. It is a matter of what you think is most important?

For instance, I saw a picture of the California Nebula, that seemed to be photoshopped to show as much of the structure as possible. OK, you get fooled a bit, because you would never see this at a short distance from the nebula. But what is interesting about an H-cloud anyway? The structure is more important..

If we were only 1000 lightyears away from a galaxy, we would get a complete different picture anyway. So I got used to the idea, we don't see much anyway, and any way of presenting an object has it's own features, or aspects of reality.. However, I do keep feeling suspicion and objection to making too much art out of galaxies.

Still haven't found out, why SDSS uses green.. ;D

But to give you an idea about reality and manipulation. Someone gave me a picture of his grand-grandfather once, 100 years old. I scanned it, and started photoshopping it, mainly tuning light and contrast, but also using noise reduction, and cutting out some spectra..
Suddenly it showed, the man had actually a beard. And he really did have ears. And the expression on his face became more clear. So it was a great result.
But that's where the problems began. In some settings his lips were thicker, or had a different shape, changing the whole expression on his face. And was it really his cheeks, I was accentuating, or was it distortion, that had nothing to do with that?..
So after a lot of hesitation, in the end I just produced 4 different versions of the restoration, telling my friend: figure out yourself, what the man in reality really would have looked like?

My guess is, it's the same with galaxies.. 'Manipulation' is mainly good, but always will produce some new illusions..

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Re: Saturday 26th July 2008
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2008, 03:03:40 pm »
I am glad it's proved popular.

Yeah! M82 is my favorite! I'm glad you just posted it now. It's a really wild one. It looks like the biggest explosion after the Big Bang, but still looks pretty.
I have a picture, where it looks like a lightening eagle, swaying in dark space.. Nice to have such an adventurous thing nearby..