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Rob

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Re: Why can't I see the object id?
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2009, 05:16:02 pm »

Thanks for the info,but My galaxies keeps throwing me back to the sign in page
Rob
Hi

Thanks as always for the suggestions;

1. We will add a zoom feature. However, we need to test how this affects classifications so the original release won't include it.
2. The ability to 'tag' images will be added at some point in the future, but won't be in the original release
3. I'm sorry, but the link to the SDSS will only appear in 'my galaxies' -  you can always go there to follow up on strange objects.

Cheers

Chris

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Re: Why can't I see the object id?
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2009, 05:26:59 pm »
You'll have to wait a little while for My Galaxies - it'll start working soon but I think Arfon was trying to get everything else up first ;D

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Re: Why can't I see the object id?
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2009, 10:40:28 pm »
Hi All

It is (or will be) great, jut a bit slow at the moment and, from here, prone to timing out.

Que sera and Rome in a day etc.

ATB

Q :) :)

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Re: Why can't I see the object id?
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2009, 10:44:11 pm »
Rome ???

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Re: Why can't I see the object id?
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2009, 10:56:44 pm »
Rome ???

In the UK we have a saying, "Rome wasn't built in a day". (I think people obsessed with targets ought to remember that occasionally too ;D)

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Re: Why can't I see the object id?
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2009, 11:00:30 pm »
We have the same, derived from a Latin phrase. Thanks Alice.

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Re: Why can't I see the object id?
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2009, 11:02:03 pm »
It's easy to zoom by holding down the 'CTRL' key while moving the wheel on the mouse in one direction. Move it in the other it unzooms while holding down the 'CTRL' key.
Not that kind of zoom...  :)

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Re: Why can't I see the object id?
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2009, 10:15:50 am »
Just to put my uneducated oar in, I think the new Zoo classification is WONDERFUL!!!

It was a bit slow yesterday, in fact it eventually ground to a halt, unfortunately while I was on a particularly interesting one, but that's got to be the server's fault. It's fine today.
I'm glad I haven't got direct access to the object ID and background info as it stops me getting bogged down and agonising over the decisions.


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Re: Why can't I see the object id?
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2009, 11:31:35 am »

In fact, the ability to get more information when classifying is bad for our results, for we need to assume that all users are seeing the same thing when classifying. If some are using the redshift, or the spectrum or some other information then that's not a good thing.

Sorry to butt in 'out of thread', but I'm still convinced that 'invert' and 'zoom' would be of great help. I appreciate your reasons for excluding id, but enabling us to get a better look at what are sometimes rather poor images would surely be beneficial.


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Re: Why can't I see the object id?
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2009, 11:43:23 am »
In Zoo 1, when you click the galaxy's object ID, you get taken to the page associated with that galaxy by the Sloan Digital Sky Survey, who provide all of our images. As many of you have noticed, that feature isn't available in the Beta test of Zoo 2, and this seems to have caused some unrest.

In fact, the ability to get more information when classifying is bad for our results, for we need to assume that all users are seeing the same thing when classifying. If some are using the redshift, or the spectrum or some other information then that's not a good thing.

However, we know a lot of the fun is in following up on objects that intrigue you, and so when the My Galaxies feature is added you'll be able to click through to Sloan's database directly.

I hope that makes sense, and thanks for bearing with us while we get My Galaxies online.



I understand why you would like "to assume that all users are seeing the same thing when classifying," but it's false, because it's based on the assumption that every computer monitor has the same resolution and color balance, which is not at all accurate.


Lanky Yankee is absolutely correct about that.  You have made unwarranted assumptions.

I think you should listed to the Zooites who are clamoring for object ID numbers.  I am hating Zoo 2 more and more every time I use it.  The beta version was less horrid than the new final version.

I bet if you let us vote on it, we would demand object ID numbers.  It's like you are asking for crappy classifications by denying us data.  I hate to leave, but Zoo 2 is just not copacetic the way you set it up.



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Re: Why can't I see the object id?
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2009, 12:15:53 pm »
What's being asked for is what is not yet known, not a copy of what SDSS already reveals. I guess this won't make you feel better, but nobody's trying to make the results worse. The overuse of SDSS in GZ1 made the results less original and reliable, otherwise they wouldn't have done it. I hope this makes sense.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2009, 12:17:35 pm by Alice »

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Re: Why can't I see the object id?
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2009, 12:37:47 pm »
In Zoo 1, when you click the galaxy's object ID, you get taken to the page associated with that galaxy by the Sloan Digital Sky Survey, who provide all of our images. As many of you have noticed, that feature isn't available in the Beta test of Zoo 2, and this seems to have caused some unrest.

In fact, the ability to get more information when classifying is bad for our results, for we need to assume that all users are seeing the same thing when classifying. If some are using the redshift, or the spectrum or some other information then that's not a good thing.

However, we know a lot of the fun is in following up on objects that intrigue you, and so when the My Galaxies feature is added you'll be able to click through to Sloan's database directly.

I hope that makes sense, and thanks for bearing with us while we get My Galaxies online.



I understand why you would like "to assume that all users are seeing the same thing when classifying," but it's false, because it's based on the assumption that every computer monitor has the same resolution and color balance, which is not at all accurate.


Lanky Yankee is absolutely correct about that.  You have made unwarranted assumptions.

I think you should listed to the Zooites who are clamoring for object ID numbers.  I am hating Zoo 2 more and more every time I use it.  The beta version was less horrid than the new final version.

I bet if you let us vote on it, we would demand object ID numbers.  It's like you are asking for crappy classifications by denying us data.  I hate to leave, but Zoo 2 is just not copacetic the way you set it up.




I think the problem here is that there is a perception that the 'correct' way to classify is to take into account all of the extra data available in the Sloan. This is simply not the case, and I'm sorry if we're not explaining things correctly.

The aim of Galaxy Zoo is to collect visual morphologies for a large set of galaxies; in other words to sort galaxies according to their shape. Once we've done that, we can dig into the rest of the data to look at redshifts, colours and all of the rest of the data. The thing is that computers are much better than humans at sorted galaxies by those data, whereas humans are better at shapes. So we should do the bit we're good at, and then ask the computer about the other data.

That's what professional astronomers do; we're not hiding data from you that we'd use ourselves. So, for example, when Kevin looked at 50000 galaxies to find ellipticals, he viewed images not SDSS data.

I'm still pleased in Zoo 1 we gave you access to the rest of the data, and I understand a lot of the interest and excitement is in following up on unusual finds. The normal situation in Zoo 2, when not at times of extreme pressure on the server, will be for you to find and link to data for all the galaxies you've classified but only after the classification. That's the way it should have been in Zoo 1; it was a design flaw (if a happy one) to have it otherwise.

I hope you enjoy using the full Zoo 2 with My Galaxies. But if you can't bear to leave Zoo 1 behind, you'll find it at http://zoo1.galaxyzoo.org.

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Re: Why can't I see the object id?
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2009, 12:47:22 pm »
  I remember it being said that you wanted the best analysis we could provide but if we can't zoom, or look at the redshift to be sure we're not trying to analyze a star, instead we are handed a "dumbed down" version to level out the playing field. Now we look at pretty pictures and push a few buttons. Not everyone used the extra info but if they did it only made the work that much more accurate. Maybe not an even playing field but the difference was on the plus side, better analysis. ;)
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Re: Why can't I see the object id?
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2009, 12:50:27 pm »
I don't find the new version dumbed down; I'm having to use my eyes and brains a lot more by working it out for myself rather than giving up and going and asking SDSS to tell me. And SDSS is not always accurate anyway. The answers aren't there in the back of a textbook. Our eyes are the best tool.

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Re: Why can't I see the object id?
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2009, 03:01:07 pm »
  I remember it being said that you wanted the best analysis we could provide but if we can't zoom, or look at the redshift to be sure we're not trying to analyze a star, instead we are handed a "dumbed down" version to level out the playing field. Now we look at pretty pictures and push a few buttons. Not everyone used the extra info but if they did it only made the work that much more accurate. Maybe not an even playing field but the difference was on the plus side, better analysis. ;)
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Using the extra information doesn't make the results better; it makes them worse because it means they combine visual morphology with redshift.

I do take the point about zooming, but we will add this when we can check the effect

Chris