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Suzaku is observing The Voorwerp and IC 2497 right now...
« on: April 19, 2009, 04:45:23 pm »
See here: http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/suzaku/tlminfo/tw2009mar18.html

We should be in the middle of the observation right now...
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Re: Suzaku is observing The Voorwerp and IC 2497 right now...
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2009, 04:48:14 pm »
See here: http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/suzaku/tlminfo/tw2009mar18.html

We should be in the middle of the observation right now...


8) Thanks for posting it, Kevin. ;)

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Re: Suzaku is observing The Voorwerp and IC 2497 right now...
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2009, 05:56:39 pm »
Great news.
Thanks Kevin.

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Re: Suzaku is observing The Voorwerp and IC 2497 right now...
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2009, 07:55:09 pm »
See here: http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/suzaku/tlminfo/tw2009mar18.html

We should be in the middle of the observation right now...

When will data be available to us mere mortal 'citizen scientists'?

Why do I think that term sounds like a title out of 1984?  ;) ;) ;)

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Re: Suzaku is observing The Voorwerp and IC 2497 right now...
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2009, 01:08:08 am »
The Suzaku support people say that it takes a few weeks for the raw data to be available for download by us. From then on, it will likely take us weeks to months to properly reduce it and analyse it before it tells us much about science. The kind of X-ray data we will get from Suzaku is not the kind that results in pretty pictures, as we will likely deal with just a few individual photons.
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Re: Suzaku is observing The Voorwerp and IC 2497 right now...
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2009, 09:08:40 pm »
How do we know which of the few photons are ours?  ;) :D

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Re: Suzaku is observing The Voorwerp and IC 2497 right now...
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2009, 09:13:27 pm »
How do we know which of the few photons are ours?  ;) :D

Because we've booked them.  ;) ;) ;)

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Re: Suzaku is observing The Voorwerp and IC 2497 right now...
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2009, 03:08:44 am »
How do we know which of the few photons are ours?  ;) :D


Or if the question asks which of the ones detected by the instrument come from IC 2497 (our intended source), there are two answers. For "softer" X-rays, at lower energies, Suzaku has an X-ray telescope which uses nested grazing-incidence mirrors to focus X-rays into the detectors, so there is an image of the sky. For higher-energy "hard" X-rays, which go right through even the grazing mirrors, a set of metal baffles limits the field of view to about half a degree on a side. We already know from the Swift X-ray telescope that there aren't other confusing sources in this region. For the hard X-ray detector, it is especially important to know the overall X-ray background as seen with that system to we can tell (statistically) how many at each energy are from the source of interest. This is easier with the focussing lower-energy system, since we see plenty of "blank" sky in the field of view around the source.

The hard X-rays are especially interesting - if the central quasar is surrounded by a large enough amount of gas, it could absorb even the soft X-rays leaving this as our most direct window to the core. X-ray detectors are especially good at measuring the energies of each detected photon, so we know at what energies they all arrive.

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Re: Suzaku is observing The Voorwerp and IC 2497 right now...
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2009, 04:57:46 am »
How do we know which of the few photons are ours?  ;) :D


Or if the question asks which of the ones detected by the instrument come from IC 2497 (our intended source), there are two answers. For "softer" X-rays, at lower energies, Suzaku has an X-ray telescope which uses nested grazing-incidence mirrors to focus X-rays into the detectors, so there is an image of the sky. For higher-energy "hard" X-rays, which go right through even the grazing mirrors, a set of metal baffles limits the field of view to about half a degree on a side. We already know from the Swift X-ray telescope that there aren't other confusing sources in this region. For the hard X-ray detector, it is especially important to know the overall X-ray background as seen with that system to we can tell (statistically) how many at each energy are from the source of interest. This is easier with the focussing lower-energy system, since we see plenty of "blank" sky in the field of view around the source.

The hard X-rays are especially interesting - if the central quasar is surrounded by a large enough amount of gas, it could absorb even the soft X-rays leaving this as our most direct window to the core. X-ray detectors are especially good at measuring the energies of each detected photon, so we know at what energies they all arrive.


Thank you very much, Bill and Kevin for this very important update on the quest to get to the heart of the Voorwerp. Let us keep our fingers crossed for the final outcome.

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Re: Suzaku is observing The Voorwerp and IC 2497 right now...
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2009, 05:05:58 am »
How do we know which of the few photons are ours?  ;) :D


Or if the question asks which of the ones detected by the instrument come from IC 2497 (our intended source), there are two answers. For "softer" X-rays, at lower energies, Suzaku has an X-ray telescope which uses nested grazing-incidence mirrors to focus X-rays into the detectors, so there is an image of the sky. For higher-energy "hard" X-rays, which go right through even the grazing mirrors, a set of metal baffles limits the field of view to about half a degree on a side. We already know from the Swift X-ray telescope that there aren't other confusing sources in this region. For the hard X-ray detector, it is especially important to know the overall X-ray background as seen with that system to we can tell (statistically) how many at each energy are from the source of interest. This is easier with the focussing lower-energy system, since we see plenty of "blank" sky in the field of view around the source.

The hard X-rays are especially interesting - if the central quasar is surrounded by a large enough amount of gas, it could absorb even the soft X-rays leaving this as our most direct window to the core. X-ray detectors are especially good at measuring the energies of each detected photon, so we know at what energies they all arrive.


Thank you very much, Bill and Kevin for this very important update on the quest to get to the heart of the Voorwerp. Let us keep our fingers crossed for the final outcome.

JKHC.

 ;D ;D Indeed fingers and toes crossed. :D ;)
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Re: Suzaku is observing The Voorwerp and IC 2497 right now...
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2009, 08:56:42 am »
How do we know which of the few photons are ours?  ;) :D


Or if the question asks which of the ones detected by the instrument come from IC 2497 (our intended source), there are two answers. For "softer" X-rays, at lower energies, Suzaku has an X-ray telescope which uses nested grazing-incidence mirrors to focus X-rays into the detectors, so there is an image of the sky. For higher-energy "hard" X-rays, which go right through even the grazing mirrors, a set of metal baffles limits the field of view to about half a degree on a side. We already know from the Swift X-ray telescope that there aren't other confusing sources in this region. For the hard X-ray detector, it is especially important to know the overall X-ray background as seen with that system to we can tell (statistically) how many at each energy are from the source of interest. This is easier with the focussing lower-energy system, since we see plenty of "blank" sky in the field of view around the source.

The hard X-rays are especially interesting - if the central quasar is surrounded by a large enough amount of gas, it could absorb even the soft X-rays leaving this as our most direct window to the core. X-ray detectors are especially good at measuring the energies of each detected photon, so we know at what energies they all arrive.


Thank you very much, Bill and Kevin for this very important update on the quest to get to the heart of the Voorwerp. Let us keep our fingers crossed for the final outcome.

JKHC.

 ;D ;D Indeed fingers and toes crossed. :D ;)


Hi, Liz could you kindly teach me how to do the latter ?  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Suzaku is observing The Voorwerp and IC 2497 right now...
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2009, 02:15:47 am »
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Re: Suzaku is observing The Voorwerp and IC 2497 right now...
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2009, 12:25:08 pm »
Zat's koz of the way they talk...

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Re: Suzaku is observing The Voorwerp and IC 2497 right now...
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2009, 03:13:38 pm »
The log shows that the data has been taken. Now we'll have to wait till they prepare it and send it to us.
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Re: Suzaku is observing The Voorwerp and IC 2497 right now...
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2009, 03:10:07 am »
The log shows that the data has been taken. Now we'll have to wait till they prepare it and send it to us.


Thanks, Kevin for the update. We can't wait to hear the results.

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