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« on: July 29, 2009, 08:20:54 PM »
By the way, when will this new area of the forum 'reach out' and be visible for everyone else? :)
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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2009, 10:34:38 PM »
By the way, when will this new area of the forum 'reach out' and be visible for everyone else? :)
If all goes well, the week following the Greenwich meetup. We just need one of our programmers to create a form that will let the forum member identify himself/herself as an educator and tell us a little about what they teach, where, age level, etc.

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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2009, 08:51:13 AM »
By the way, when will this new area of the forum 'reach out' and be visible for everyone else? :)
If all goes well, the week following the Greenwich meetup. We just need one of our programmers to create a form that will let the forum member identify himself/herself as an educator and tell us a little about what they teach, where, age level, etc.

Right... but you can also see this and post here if you're not a teacher, right? :)

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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2009, 12:46:51 PM »
By the way, when will this new area of the forum 'reach out' and be visible for everyone else? :)
If all goes well, the week following the Greenwich meetup. We just need one of our programmers to create a form that will let the forum member identify himself/herself as an educator and tell us a little about what they teach, where, age level, etc.

Right... but you can also see this and post here if you're not a teacher, right? :)

Yes, just certain things like file-sharing (lesson plans and assessments) may be off-limits unless you're a teacher. Still sorting all that out, though. ;-)

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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2009, 02:27:55 PM »
By the way, when will this new area of the forum 'reach out' and be visible for everyone else? :)
If all goes well, the week following the Greenwich meetup. We just need one of our programmers to create a form that will let the forum member identify himself/herself as an educator and tell us a little about what they teach, where, age level, etc.

Right... but you can also see this and post here if you're not a teacher, right? :)

Yes, just certain things like file-sharing (lesson plans and assessments) may be off-limits unless you're a teacher. Still sorting all that out, though. ;-)

OK :)

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2009, 11:01:10 AM »
Odd! I was told this was all going to be secret from non-teachers because there might well be a lot of things they wouldn't want pupils to see! :-\

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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2009, 07:30:27 PM »
Odd! I was told this was all going to be secret from non-teachers because there might well be a lot of things they wouldn't want pupils to see! :-\

Disclaimer:  Anything said by a "Head Zookeeper" overrides whatever I might blather about...  ;D ;D ;D

I know that lesson plans and assessments (including answer keys) are going to be available to teachers only. The forum discussion threads are going to be open, I think, although that could change... it's been under discussion many times.

Actually, I'd love your opinion (and Hanny's as well) on the issue...  :)

BTW, "Head Zookeeper" = Chris, Pamela, Arfon  ;)

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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2009, 08:54:44 AM »
Hmm, that's a good question.. I'll think about it. :)

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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2009, 03:05:03 PM »
Oh and I thought about it...

Though I'm usually for open-ness, I'm leaning towards making it private for teachers. It can really spoil your lessons if children already know your plan.

Not sure how you prevent students from saying they are teachers though...

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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2009, 10:20:21 PM »
Oh and I thought about it...

Though I'm usually for open-ness, I'm leaning towards making it private for teachers. It can really spoil your lessons if children already know your plan.

Not sure how you prevent students from saying they are teachers though...

Right, that's one of the big issues... how can people prove that they are teachers?  And I agree, there's nothing like launching into a cool lesson and having half the class saying, "oh, we did this last year..."  ::) ::)

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2009, 12:52:27 AM »
I don't mind either way as I don't feel this is "my" area, but I agree that there's a case for keeping these boards relatively quiet. Also it's nice to feel safe to chat quietly - you feel less judged and vulnerable if not many outside people/schoolkids are going to read your thoughts!

As for proving people are teachers . . . here are some ideas from someone who is not a teacher and is wondering what she's doing here ;D ;D ;D ;D (Oh! By the way! Want me to split this topic? ;D) . . . They might have an e-mail address which looks like that of a school. Even if it's not the one they use, they could give it. Or they could say what school they work at and it would be easy to find them on the school's website, though this seems somewhat government-style behaviour.

And a last resort, rather woolly perhaps, but maybe very significant: you can usually just tell whether someone has experience or not from the way they talk about it. An instinct that someone is bluffing may be the best way to know.

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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2009, 08:05:56 AM »
Oh and I thought about it...

Though I'm usually for open-ness, I'm leaning towards making it private for teachers. It can really spoil your lessons if children already know your plan.

Not sure how you prevent students from saying they are teachers though...

Right, that's one of the big issues... how can people prove that they are teachers?  And I agree, there's nothing like launching into a cool lesson and having half the class saying, "oh, we did this last year..."  ::) ::)

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I don't think teachers would mind 'outsiders' to read it.. I had a few good tips from outsiders (non-teachers) in the past.. so I don't think we need to be worried about people feeling judged/vulnerable. I have had a moment this past year where an assistent saw my music lesson in one class and went to tell the other what we were doing, which spoiled my whole story when I was in that class.

Anyway... I think the only way to make sure people are teachers is to have them scan their diploma, but that could put people off who can't make scans. Same thing with scanning ID's to prove age (assuming we would go for 'no students').

I don't mind either way as I don't feel this is "my" area, but I agree that there's a case for keeping these boards relatively quiet. Also it's nice to feel safe to chat quietly - you feel less judged and vulnerable if not many outside people/schoolkids are going to read your thoughts!

As for proving people are teachers . . . here are some ideas from someone who is not a teacher and is wondering what she's doing here ;D ;D ;D ;D (Oh! By the way! Want me to split this topic? ;D) . . . They might have an e-mail address which looks like that of a school. Even if it's not the one they use, they could give it. Or they could say what school they work at and it would be easy to find them on the school's website, though this seems somewhat government-style behaviour.

And a last resort, rather woolly perhaps, but maybe very significant: you can usually just tell whether someone has experience or not from the way they talk about it. An instinct that someone is bluffing may be the best way to know.

In the Netherlands children have their own e-mail address at school. So, mine would be: h.vanarkel(at)nameschool.nl and a kids address would be: namekid(at)nameschool.nl, so that will probably not work.

And to tell if they have experience, you would have to let them post in the first place...

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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2009, 09:47:40 PM »
I split this topic from the original outreach thread. ;)

And for the record.. I like our current system (this area being visible to everyone, and teachers being able to have a teachers room soon). :)

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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2009, 09:49:04 AM »
Though I'm usually for open-ness, I'm leaning towards making it private for teachers
I strongly disagree. As a teacher myself, I see no reason why there should be a separate teachers' thread or section.
That all sounds horribly elitist and will only foster a feeling of exclusivety that is inappropriate in the context of the
GZ.

Surely the whole idea of extended learning (learning outside the classroom) is to bring teachers and learners
together in an environment where those sorts of barriers, as fostered in a GZ just-for-teachers' section,
are not useful.

Surely this education section of the GZ could be a prime example of genuine cooperative learning, where the local
role of teachers is replaced with a more blended learning environment where we all get together- rather than
more them and us scenarios. Virtual teaching has its good and bad points- putting people into categories (apart
from age) seems somewhat unhelpful.

At the school I teach at, the many hundreds of textbooks there ALL have answer keys at the end of the book. It
is in the learners' interests that they should not 'cheat' by looking at the answers first. Indeed, an attitude by
the teacher of instilling trust to a learner can be very important: Yes, here are the answers- try your hardest to
answer the questions before looking at them. It is not as if there is a Galaxy Zoo exam people have to pass!

GZ is about citizen science, not citizens and a more exclusive set of people that call themselves teachers. Blended
learning is about getting outside a classroom mentality.

I also heartily recommend that all people should be able to put up lesson plans if they want to: how many will anyway?
This should be about learning-by-doing, not we give them lessons and questions which they have to answer. No! to
the idea of more control freakery.

With reference Vygotsky's Social Constructivism, this section can be a place which extends the idea of the Forum:
citizens creating an environment for shared knowledge, where they can find interesting ideas for everyone to use-
not just 'teachers' having some perceived right to 'priviledged' information. Has this been thought through enough?
« Last Edit: September 03, 2009, 01:39:39 PM by Rick Nowell »

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Re: Outreach?
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2009, 09:58:58 AM »
Thanks Rick.

I think none of what you say disagrees with what I said.

My reason for saying what I said (see my reply to Alice too) is not because I don't trust my students (I agree with you on the answers at the back of the books!)

However, every school has an area like that for a reason and I can imagine that teachers would want to share things they don't want their students to see (yet).

I have the feeling that people might object to this because it has this 'closed area of the forum' feeling to it. However, theoretically, if we put all the teachers in contact by e-mail for instance and let them sort stuff on their own, would that make a difference, I wonder...

Keep in mind that none of this is said as a moderator or as what I as a teachers personally would want. It's my personaly view on what I think will work best for most teachers. And though I'm involved in this part of the Zoo, I'm not the 'head master'.