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Re: Annual Zooniverse Team Meeting: Chicago 2014
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2014, 05:30:16 pm »
Reply to post by graham d on Today at 04:50:18 pm:

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2 is probably  Laura Whyte of the Adler Planetarium
You are probably right.

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I recall we are still waiting for a post from Chris- otherwise we have been abandoned.
Do you mean a promised/particular post ? Well, we are still waiting for any new post by ZK Chris. He has done no post since February 18, 2013 !
 
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An internal meeting eh! It's rather reminiscent of the slogan "No taxation without representation".
Altered slogan: No classification without representation. :)

EDIT:

Well, zooites had been abandoned before.:

Citizen Science Case Study: Galaxy Zoo / Zooniverse
Nathan R. Prestopnik, Syracuse University
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Forum members are close-knit, even meeting in person from time to time, and growing frustrated when project investigators are unable to attend these meetings.
http://citsci.syr.edu/system/files/galaxyzoo.pdf

I would like to add, that some zooites get frustrated, when they aren't allowed to attend a meeting.:
Well, this year it was just an internal meeting and last year there had been frustration, because just a few zooites were allowed to attend.

PS: ZooCon 2014 in Oxford in August.: http://www.galaxyzooforum.org/index.php?topic=281615.msg652317#msg652317
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Re: Annual Zooniverse Team Meeting: Chicago 2014
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2014, 02:51:24 pm »
I was wondering where I might find a summary of the financial accounts of the Citizen Science Alliance,
the organisation that owns Zooniverse? Surely the accounts are accessible to the public? I can't seem
to find any. http://www.citizensciencealliance.org/

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Re: Annual Zooniverse Team Meeting: Chicago 2014
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2014, 03:33:17 pm »
I was wondering where I might find a summary of the financial accounts of the Citizen Science Alliance,
the organisation that owns Zooniverse? Surely the accounts are accessible to the public? I can't seem
to find any. http://www.citizensciencealliance.org/

Interesting comment - Does this help? -

"Thanks to generous support from the Alfred P. Sloan foundation, Adler Planetarium and the Citizen Science Alliance are pleased to announce the first open call for proposals by researchers who wish to develop citizen science projects which take advantage of the experience, tools and community of the Zooniverse. Successful proposals will receive donated effort of the Adler-based team to build and launch a new citizen science project."

I know there is a comment, towards the bottom of this thread, that due to lack of funding, the number of invites to ZooCon 2014 was cut back to just team members, though some people might have gone under their own steam.
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Re: Annual Zooniverse Team Meeting: Chicago 2014
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2014, 06:58:30 pm »
I was wondering where I might find a summary of the financial accounts of the Citizen Science Alliance,
the organisation that owns Zooniverse? Surely the accounts are accessible to the public? I can't seem
to find any. http://www.citizensciencealliance.org/

I don't know, which person manages the financial matters of the Zoooniverse.
You might want to send an e-mail to the Zooniverse Community Manager Grant Miller. Or you might want to ask him or ZK Chris at the ZooCon, if you are going to attend the meeting.
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Re: Annual Zooniverse Team Meeting: Chicago 2014
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2014, 07:10:33 pm »
I was wondering where I might find a summary of the financial accounts of the Citizen Science Alliance,
the organisation that owns Zooniverse? Surely the accounts are accessible to the public? I can't seem
to find any. http://www.citizensciencealliance.org/

I don't know, which person manages the financial matters of the Zoooniverse.
You might want to send an e-mail to the Zooniverse Community Manager Grant Miller. Or you might want to ask him or ZK Chris at the ZooCon, if you are going to attend the meeting.

Thanks for the update, do you know when the ZooCon is?
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Re: Annual Zooniverse Team Meeting: Chicago 2014
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2014, 07:25:45 pm »
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Thanks for the update, do you know when the ZooCon is?

I have not received an answer from Grant (after multiple attempts) as to the date. If I were you, I would not be making any plans for a August meetup.

Hope I am being pessimistic.


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Re: Annual Zooniverse Team Meeting: Chicago 2014
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2014, 07:34:07 pm »
I was wondering where I might find a summary of the financial accounts of the Citizen Science Alliance,
the organisation that owns Zooniverse? Surely the accounts are accessible to the public? I can't seem
to find any. http://www.citizensciencealliance.org/

I don't know, which person manages the financial matters of the Zoooniverse.
You might want to send an e-mail to the Zooniverse Community Manager Grant Miller. Or you might want to ask him or ZK Chris at the ZooCon, if you are going to attend the meeting.

Thanks for the update, do you know when the ZooCon is?

ZooCon 2014, in Oxford in August.: http://www.galaxyzooforum.org/index.php?topic=281615.msg652317#msg652317
Warning: You can't do a post in that topic, because it was locked by a moderator. 
You have a twitter account, as far as I know. So you might want to ask Grant Miller on twitter.: @mrniaboc
Well, I haven't a twitter account. Besides I am not going to attend the ZooCon.

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Re: Annual Zooniverse Team Meeting: Chicago 2014
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2014, 01:00:00 pm »
I wonder whether anything concerning the following was discussed at this year's annual meeting?

Back in March last year, Raddick+ published "Galaxy Zoo: Motivations of Citizen Scientists" (source). This paper, whose authors are given as "M. Jordan Raddick, Georgia Bracey, Pamela L. Gay, Chris J. Lintott, Carie Cardamone, Phil Murray, Kevin Schawinski, Alexander S. Szalay, Jan Vandenberg", gives, among other things, a breakdown of the age and education of those who responded to a survey. Assume, for now, that the findings reported are indicative of today's zooites, both for Zooniverse projects in general and GZ in particular.

Relative to the US population, zooites are older (age groups 40-69 are overrepresented, all others under; minor caveats men vs women), and better educated ("bachelor's" and "postgrad" combined >50%; etc). There's more, but that'll do to make my point.

If you were given the job of "Zooniverse Marketing Manager", how would rate the Zooniverse's efforts, to date, in terms of reaching a market segment that is older and better educated than the general population, one like that profiled in some detail in that 2013 paper? of 'retaining' them? of 'building brand loyalty'? (etc) My own view is that 'reach' has been very successful, especially in the UK; 'retention', however, has been atrocious.

A bit over a year ago, zkChris wrote a blog post called Optimizing for interest : Why people aren’t machines; here are some snippets:

  • "if we want to be most efficient, what we should be aiming for is passing each and every person the image that they’d be best at classifying"
  • "Her work ... develops a method which considers the value of each classification based (roughly) on the amount of information it provides, and then tries to seek the shortest route to a decision. And it works ... in other words, we wasted some people’s time by not being as efficient as we could be."
  • "That doesn’t sound good – not wasting people’s time is one of the fundamental promises we make here at the Zooniverse"
  • "To state the obvious: volunteer classifiers are different from machines. They get bored. They get inspired. And they make a conscious or an unconscious decision to stay for another classification or to go back to the rest of the internet."
  • "The challenge is to incorporate these factors into whatever algorithm we’re applying so that we can maximise not only efficiency, but interest"
  • "Over the next few years, we’ll be ... and talking to our volunteers to find out what they want from these more complicated projects – all in our twin causes of doing as much science as possible, while providing a little inspiration along the way"

You're the Zooniverse Marketing Manager, and you decide to gauge your target market's response to this research plan, as outlined by zkChris in his blog post; you convene a focus group, which includes an overreprestation of older and better educated people. And a goodly number of oldbie zooites and ex-zooites. What would you find?

Here's my guess at one finding: snorts of derision at the "maximize interest" and "talking to our volunteers". Advice - expressed politely, bluntly, and in many other ways - to stop treating your target market like mindless machines (albeit fascinating ones, with wide variation in capabilities), and start treating them like people.

Take a look again at the photo of attendees at this year's Team Meeting ... very likely the people in the photo are at least as well educated as the zooites who responded to the Raddick+ survey, probably better; however, they seem to me to be far younger.

What do you think?

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Re: Annual Zooniverse Team Meeting: Chicago 2014
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2014, 01:37:58 pm »
BP has made an interesting comment under chat, what he would like to do on a project - I wonder if that what other people would like?
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Re: Annual Zooniverse Team Meeting: Chicago 2014
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2014, 01:44:55 pm »
BP has made an interesting comment under chat, what he would like to do on a project - I wonder if that what other people would like?

Well I, personally, would enjoy a project where you are more 'involved' with doing something then just clicking on something, and waiting perhaps months or years before anyone does anything with it, all the while most ignoring your chat comments unless they happen to be a question they can answer.

I would prefer a project where you can do more, such as being involved in data analyzing from the project you did, and helping with whatever research the project creators manage to get from it. However, that's just me.
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Re: Annual Zooniverse Team Meeting: Chicago 2014
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2014, 03:03:20 pm »
BP has made an interesting comment under chat, what he would like to do on a project - I wonder if that what other people would like?

Well I, personally, would enjoy a project where you are more 'involved' with doing something then just clicking on something, and waiting perhaps months or years before anyone does anything with it, all the while most ignoring your chat comments unless they happen to be a question they can answer.

I would prefer a project where you can do more, such as being involved in data analyzing from the project you did, and helping with whatever research the project creators manage to get from it. However, that's just me.

There are (or were) three such Zooniverse projects, that I know of: Planet Hunters (PH) and SpaceWarps (SW). And Quench.

In PH, a bunch of zooites got together and started doing their own analyses. At least one of the Science Team members was actively involved; several papers have been published. Research work - by the ordinary zooite members, with the active involvement of some members of the Science Team - is on-going, and they're also getting ready for K2.

In SW, the PI (Phil Marshall) invited a number of ordinary zooites to join the Science Team, as full members. As I understand it, now that the classification phase is over, they are all busily working on analysis (etc).

Quench had (and still has, as far as I know) as its central objective the active participation of ordinary zooites - in collaboration with Science Team members - in all phases (stages) of an astronomy project, right through to writing a paper and submitting it.

Radio Galaxy Zoo has - in principle - the promise to become somewhat like the kind of project you describe ... lots of unchartered territory, huge future potential, enthusiastic Science Team members ... why not join in?
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Re: Annual Zooniverse Team Meeting: Chicago 2014
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2014, 05:53:53 pm »
BP has made an interesting comment under chat, what he would like to do on a project - I wonder if that what other people would like?

Well I, personally, would enjoy a project where you are more 'involved' with doing something then just clicking on something, and waiting perhaps months or years before anyone does anything with it, all the while most ignoring your chat comments unless they happen to be a question they can answer.

I would prefer a project where you can do more, such as being involved in data analyzing from the project you did, and helping with whatever research the project creators manage to get from it. However, that's just me.

I may have mentioned this before, but would this be of interest - http://www.peranso.com/
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Re: Annual Zooniverse Team Meeting: Chicago 2014
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2014, 07:21:22 pm »
BP has made an interesting comment under chat, what he would like to do on a project - I wonder if that what other people would like?

Well I, personally, would enjoy a project where you are more 'involved' with doing something then just clicking on something, and waiting perhaps months or years before anyone does anything with it, all the while most ignoring your chat comments unless they happen to be a question they can answer.

I would prefer a project where you can do more, such as being involved in data analyzing from the project you did, and helping with whatever research the project creators manage to get from it. However, that's just me.

I may have mentioned this before, but would this be of interest - http://www.peranso.com/

Or perhaps this - some interesting SETI research is coming up soon - http://www.galaxyzooforum.org/index.php?topic=281887.new#new
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Re: Annual Zooniverse Team Meeting: Chicago 2014
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2014, 11:13:47 pm »
Two new Zoo Projects gave me migraines so i can not do them due to stearing at a lot of white and grey dots and blobbs!

Sunspotter was good but that is on Hold as all the Data was maxed out I am basically in Moth balls!

As for Oxford and The GZ Meet up do not hold your breath as now Zooites no Longer ecide when and where we will meet up we are being placed in a Rack or File for use  and taken out when required. Hmm I am not going into a File.

for storage aas for get togethers if we do not do it i will stick to Astronomy with my baker Street irregular Astronomer friends!

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Re: Annual Zooniverse Team Meeting: Chicago 2014
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2014, 06:22:49 am »
BP has made an interesting comment under chat, what he would like to do on a project - I wonder if that what other people would like?

Well I, personally, would enjoy a project where you are more 'involved' with doing something then just clicking on something, and waiting perhaps months or years before anyone does anything with it, all the while most ignoring your chat comments unless they happen to be a question they can answer.

I would prefer a project where you can do more, such as being involved in data analyzing from the project you did, and helping with whatever research the project creators manage to get from it. However, that's just me.

I may have mentioned this before, but would this be of interest - http://www.peranso.com/

Or perhaps this - some interesting SETI research is coming up soon - http://www.galaxyzooforum.org/index.php?topic=281887.new#new

I understand from press reports today, that data from the missing Malaysia MH370 aircraft, is to be released - so the examining of that could be a citizen science project -

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/26/world/asia/malaysia-missing-plane/
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