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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #675 on: February 19, 2008, 07:17:58 am »
Nice pea Starry I said, Gazing into the bowels of the universe. (That was bad) LOL ::)

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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #677 on: February 19, 2008, 07:21:48 am »
I want a urine sample. I think this pea is on drugs.
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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #678 on: February 19, 2008, 07:25:18 am »
Nice pea Laihro!

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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #679 on: February 19, 2008, 09:46:50 am »
what a wonderful pottage of peas above. Thanks all. This must be my first pea of 2008,

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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #680 on: February 19, 2008, 09:54:23 am »
just like buses, nothing for days then two come along at once. I wasn't even looking!
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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #681 on: February 19, 2008, 11:32:09 am »
I want a urine sample. I think this pea is on drugs.
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Hi Galaxy Hunters Inc - That's an asteroid; usually green -red-blue in a line !
The spectrum associated with an asteroid is useless. The asteroid has moved by the time the spectrum was taken !
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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #682 on: February 19, 2008, 11:36:26 am »
Starry - On 15JAN2008 you asked if it was possible to search the database for OIII galaxies and didn't seem to get a reply.
If you want a search done, why not try it yourself at this search site
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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #683 on: February 19, 2008, 11:48:46 am »
This one is the second most redshifted OIII "Pea" gathered so far...
 I can see that this one has a higher OIII peak than any "Pea" at an equivalent distance. Strange that it isn't more pink or red.

Starry - "Strange that it isn't more pink or red". From what I said earlier about spectra, you can predict that the object would be a dull grey !
The baseline in the visible is raised, flat and featureless. Note that the OIII peak is not in the visible - it's in the IR !
I note that the computer has classified it as a quasar. Looks like any object in your collection with z >0.45, is a quasar.
Here's a spectrum of visible light from 4000 to 7500 Angstroms, for reference.
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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #684 on: February 19, 2008, 01:06:28 pm »
My own harvest
Its close..........but its a wanna be pea
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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #685 on: February 19, 2008, 01:07:36 pm »
A few things, FermatsBrother:
Isn't that search you linked to searchable by wavelength, not by tag? So that's not going to return objects with a sharp peak at OIII, it's going to return objects with the highest value of whatever wavelength I select. Right? Since the OIII peak moves with redshift, how does that help? And how does the search distinguish between the sharp narrow peaks I'm looking for and broad curves?
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I note that the computer has classified it as a quasar.

If the computer classifications were reliable, there'd be no point to Galaxyzoo. You haven't seen classifications that are wrong yet? Further, it's classified as a QSO, not a quasar. All quasars are QSO's, but not all QSO's are quasars. It's a broad category.
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Looks like any object in your collection with z >0.45, is a quasar.

I have looked at the sample quasar charts a lot. Why do you say that? Any quasar under z=0.45 should have a broad-based very tall peak at H-alpha as tall or taller than the OIII peak. Do you see that in the "Peas" on these pages? And what about a broad-based peak at H-beta? I don't think there is a hard dividing line between quasars and OIII's necessarily, but those are some key features that are absent.
Regarding color, doesn't SDSS display infrared (or UV) on the navigable map as red (or blue)? Isn't that why blue stars look bluer on here than they would be in person? Because the UV is displayed as blue? So a peak in the infrared should equate to a redder-colored image. Right?
One last thought: we generally get one spectral chart per object, but there are visible variations in color and shape that are not covered in that one measurement and are worthy of discussion and pontification.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2008, 03:06:45 pm by starry nite »
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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #686 on: February 19, 2008, 02:48:14 pm »
GalaxyHuntersInc, I like that garbanzo (chick pea) you just found. The baseline is elevated, but having a redshift at exactly z=0.1000 seems like it would be useful for making calculations and comparisons simple.
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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #687 on: February 19, 2008, 09:56:30 pm »
New blue....

ra=186.08218961, dec=1.09985714, ObjId = 588848901525930095
http://cas.sdss.org/astro/en/tools/explore/obj.asp?id=588848901525930095
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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #688 on: February 19, 2008, 10:07:28 pm »
A few things, FermatsBrother:
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I note that the computer has classified it as a quasar.

If the computer classifications were reliable, there'd be no point to Galaxyzoo. You haven't seen classifications that are wrong yet? Further, it's classified as a QSO, not a quasar. All quasars are QSO's, but not all QSO's are quasars. It's a broad category.
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Looks like any object in your collection with z >0.45, is a quasar.

I have looked at the sample quasar charts a lot. Why do you say that? Any quasar under z=0.45 should have a broad-based very tall peak at H-alpha as tall or taller than the OIII peak. Do you see that in the "Peas" on these pages? And what about a broad-based peak at H-beta? I don't think there is a hard dividing line between quasars and OIII's necessarily, but those are some key features that are absent.
Regarding color, doesn't SDSS display infrared (or UV) on the navigable map as red (or blue)? Isn't that why blue stars look bluer on here than they would be in person? Because the UV is displayed as blue? So a peak in the infrared should equate to a redder-colored image. Right?
One last thought: we generally get one spectral chart per object, but there are visible variations in color and shape that are not covered in that one measurement and are worthy of discussion and pontification.

Hi Starry - In response to your comments.
1. Sorry about the search engine I gave you to look at. I've never used it, never even investigated it. Just thought that it might be useful - obviously not !
2. "All quasars are QSO's, but not all QSO's are quasars". We're on different wavelengths here. I don't even know if the computer designates "quasar".
    As I understand it, the name "quasar" is a contraction of the term quasistellar object (QSO).
3. I simply noted (no critisism implied) that, in your collection, the computer had designated objects with z >0.45, as a quasar (oops! sorry QSO). I don't understand why you are referring me to your  objects "under z=0.45" ie z <0.45.
    BTW, as you must be aware from my postings, I'm the last person to defend a computer designation.
4. "doesn't SDSS display infrared (or UV) on the navigable map as red (or blue)?" Well Starry, I know that you are keen on asteroids as well as "peas", and have noticed the gap between the red and the blue. If UV & IR were to be displayed, it would show up here. I'll look a bit deeper into your contention though; you must have picked it up from somewhere !
5. Keep up the good work,
Cheers - Fermats Brother

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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #689 on: February 19, 2008, 10:47:10 pm »
I wish I did know how to use that search engine. I've seen it before, but I'm not ready yet to put in the study required. Must be nice though.
My mistake about the direction of the symbol you put in front of the "0.45". But still, after that redshift, OIII spectral charts look very different; with quasars, the OIII peak is reduced, H-beta shows a broad peak, the blueward side demonstrates an upward curve, and the MgII peak is broad and tall.
QSO is quasi-stellar object, quasar is from QSRO, quasi-stellar radio object. Most QSO's (~90%) don't strongly emit radio, but are otherwise similar. The two terms get thrown around a lot, but they're different. Regarding the place of OIII's in the QSO category, they do fit the description of a "star-resembling object", and the charts do seem to gradually blend into that of real quasars or their non-radio emitting cousins.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2008, 05:06:46 am by starry nite »
Good news everyone!