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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #765 on: February 29, 2008, 12:34:40 am »
Cheers FM, always meant to do that:)

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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #766 on: February 29, 2008, 07:07:05 am »
Yes, I thought so too... start with the first, very "serious", post.. ::) :D

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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #767 on: February 29, 2008, 08:40:24 am »
I suppose Thomas J's post is a cue to finally get around to restating the definition (corrections/opinions welcome):
For the purposes of this thread, a pea is anything you want to call a pea that you feel like posting here. Artifacts, quasars, stars, whatever.
However, an OIII "Pea" is a more restricted definition:
1. The OIII designation is based on the shape of the spectral chart, and therefore if the target doesn't have one, it
    can only be called a candidate.
2. On the spectral chart, the tallest peak must be tagged OIII, and it should be reasonably narrow-based, not
    a broad pyramid.
3. The baseline of the chart should be relatively flat other than the OIII peak (or peaks) and possible peaks at OII,
    H-alpha, and H-beta. This flatness is relative to the scale of the chart; a tall OIII peak will make the baseline          appear flatter.
Ultimately, OIII "Peas" are grouped together because of their similar spectral charts, not the circumstances that caused them, which might vary. OIII "Peas" seem to be found as the cores of spiral galaxies, cores involved in mergers, and Blue Compact Dwarf Galaxies (BCDG). So far, an OIII chart has not been found from an elliptical or lenticular galaxy, or an edge-on spiral; the disc may block the signature spectral peak. There is apparently not a hard dividing line between OIII galaxies and some other types of Active Galactic Nucleus (AGN), and the spectral charts may appear similar.
The current understanding is that the OIII peaks represent an emission of light at a very limited wavelength from doubly-ionized oxygen atoms in an interstellar nebula. These are oxygen atoms missing two electrons, heated by very thin plasma in the vacuum of space, and bombarded by radiation from the core and its densely-packed stars. This creates "forbidden" interactions in which electrons bounce off the ionized oxygen atoms instead of joining them, and was considered impossible in the past, thus the term "forbidden". The light that we see on SDSS represents the atoms shedding that energy, somewhat similar to the way fluorescent tubes glow.
   At a redshift of z=0.1 or less, the outer structures of OIII galaxies may be visible. At a greater redshift, OIII "Peas" are generally approximately round because the less-energetic, less-bright parts have faded from view. The color we see on SDSS varies, so it's not one of the criteria, though it may be informative.
The catalog of all OIII galaxies identified from SDSS is here.
Some sample quasar charts for comparison to OIII "Pea" charts are here.
And a post about quasars that look like OIII "Peas", here.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2008, 02:06:52 pm by starry nite »
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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #768 on: February 29, 2008, 08:51:37 am »
start with the first, very "serious", post.


A serious post; in the Pea's thread? You know, the one about green objects? Whatever next...

Have added Starry Night's http://cas.sdss.org/astro/en/tools/explore/obj.asp?id=588017720638570644 
« Last Edit: March 01, 2008, 08:33:53 am by Rick Nowell »

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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #769 on: February 29, 2008, 01:26:19 pm »
A little while ago I came across a dim pea-like object with an odd chart. I think it might be an OIII galaxy. It has a strong narrow peak at OII that apparently isn't an error line on an otherwise flat baseline. At the 'z' of 0.9350, any OIII emission lines will have redshifted completely off the right side of the spectral chart, and so can't be used for identification. Compare this chart to the furthest solidly-identified OIII "Pea". Quasars at this redshift have very different spectral charts, as do other galaxies and stars.

ra=165.32313767, dec=33.27987454, ObjId = 587739295087657110
http://cas.sdss.org/astro/en/tools/explore/obj.asp?id=587739295087657110
« Last Edit: February 29, 2008, 02:00:11 pm by starry nite »
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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #770 on: February 29, 2008, 03:51:17 pm »
Archetypal Emerald ELG; z=0.343. As a ball-park figure, around 80% of green ELGs in the
SHOC catalogue have already been posted.

http://cas.sdss.org/dr6/en/tools/explore/obj.asp?id=588010137337200805       SHOC 214



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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #771 on: February 29, 2008, 04:37:58 pm »
2nd furthest Emerald ELG; z=0.347
http://cas.sdss.org/dr6/en/tools/explore/obj.asp?id=587725550133772480     SHOC 305



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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #772 on: February 29, 2008, 04:38:46 pm »
Hey Rick,
How about posting the captures and charts for those five from the SHOC catalog that you listed above?
They're certainly pretty enough to deserve it, and not previously-posted.
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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #773 on: February 29, 2008, 10:18:39 pm »
some kind of legume, i think.  it appears to have a smoking habit.
http://cas.sdss.org/astro/en/tools/explore/obj.asp?id=587730774415049007


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Re: Give peas a chance!
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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #777 on: March 01, 2008, 12:11:41 pm »
Great post Starry nite. I will use it as a reference. Thanks.  How do I check to see if an object has already been posted?
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Re: Give peas a chance!
« Reply #778 on: March 01, 2008, 03:30:30 pm »
Paste it's ref number in the searchbox from the home page of the forum ;)
Warning: it doesn't always work though... ::) ;D

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